This article is based on episode #28 of A Bridge To Wholeness podcast. You can listen to the episode on iTunes, Stitcher, and on our website.

Jennifer Crisp: Gregory Anne has a lot of things under her belt and she’s done so many things, but where she is now is a really interesting place. You actually do have a podcast and we’re going to go into that as well. But Gregory Anne is a copywriter and a message wizard. I love that. She’s so good with words. She creates standout messages for coaches, speakers and others in the world of personal development, spirituality and doing well by doing good. She believes in living fully expressed and that includes using her creativity in various ways.

I know you began your career in the food industry and you wrote for a national magazine on staying healthy while you’re traveling on the road. So then that led you into health coaching to make a difference to people. You really wanted to focus on alternatives other than just the good old prescription pad that solves everything, right? You’re an author of two books and your secret life… I love this, her secret life as one of the woo Clan is called The Divine Wild Ride, and that is your podcast. You realize that after all these years, that the soul has a lot to say and it’s time to take note.

I got to listen to your podcast a few weeks ago and I was just amazed… It was really, really interesting. You don’t shy away from the woo.

Gregory Anne Cox: I did, for a really long time but the one thing I have learned, I’m learning like I’m at Kindergarten level learning, is that when we deny the things that want to be a part of us, things don’t go very well. Or we miss things that could have been really juicy and you can ask half a dozen of my friends who are also coaches and stuff, they have been saying this… You might have even heard [inaudible 00:03:23] say, “You’ve got to bring the spirit side, it’s a part of who you are…” Oh, I can’t do that [crosstalk 00:03:30] I surrender.

Jennifer Crisp: No it really is, and I really relate to that because my [inaudible 00:03:36] is a Bridge to Wholeness and I’m just going to put it out there, Gregory Anne actually helped me to message my wording on my website and I asked her to do that because being in the medical field, you tend to write very dry, kinda boring documentation stuff, and because you really are a message wizard, I was like “Okay, let me see if I can’t work with Greg to see if we can get my message out in the way I really want to express it,” Because I’m so used to just documentation that is truly boring. So those of you who have not had a chance to visit my website, hey I’m plugging myself [crosstalk 00:04:27] so you can see how Gregory Anne helped me to formulate the messages on there. I mean, I did all the research and most of the writing and you just came behind there, and she turned it into magic is what I want to say.

Gregory Anne Cox: Thank you.

Jennifer Crisp: [crosstalk 00:04:44] magical to me and to everybody who goes on there and I really get some really, really good feedback on there. But also, I asked her to send me her bio and just a couple of things that we could talk about and this is so interesting… You said here that your Health Quest started when your mother was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer back in 1974 and that she lived a year, and you started to read everything that you could on natural healing and how you wanted to help her so much but that you realized that all the herbs and supplements in the world were not going to cure her but that something inside of you was woken up and really affected by that, so tell me a little bit more about that.

Gregory Anne Cox: Yeah, I should go back a few years from that point in time when I was about 19 I guess, because when I was five I decided I wanted to be a doctor. I kept that for the longest time, and I was always doctoring the stuffed animals and the baby dolls, like so many kids do. When I got to high school I wanted to do that, I wanted that track, but I was really good with language and so my science teacher said, “No you shouldn’t go into science, it’ll never suit you, you should stick to language.” My mom worked, and she didn’t have a whole lot of time to spend, “Ra ra, come on you can do it,” so I thought, “Okay, I’m going to where I’m naturally [inaudible 00:06:12].

Now the interesting thing about that is, I would like to thank that Chemistry teacher today, because had I gone through medical school and gone through all of that rigorous training I would have still had that thing inside of me that said, this is not all there is, whether it was my soul talking, or I don’t know what, but just the fact that I got to see a side of me because of my mom’s death, I wouldn’t say it was a gift so much but it was the catalyst for me to start buying the books, The Garden of Eden, all these crazy woo-woo hippie kind of… In those days they were considered hippie books. Nobody was believing in B-Power and all… That you could heal yourself naturally with oils and things. I’m very much a science minded person, when I studied nutrition it wasn’t an alternative nutrition course, it was scientific based Western medicine model. We’ve all probably had lots of instances where if it wasn’t for Western medicine things could have gone terribly wrong.

However, what I found over the years, especially when I became a health coach… The reason I got into health coaching is that, I was writing all the time about what was going on in my body at midlife and I was trying to do everything naturally and I found out… The more I read, the more pissed off I got about how they treated midlife women. “Oh, you’re just going to get fat. Oh, you might get diabetes.” It was just this… This is what happens at your age. Made me insane. So, all of that to say, the more I got into it, the more a voice for people, I felt like I wanted to become to show them the alternatives that were safe and proven, just like you do Jennifer. You’re not out there having a bridge to some kind of crazy thing nobody’s ever heard of or proven before. I think this is a good time for your business, because more and more people are accepting, as we talked about, we might have written something for your website.

All of the major medical schools, teaching hospitals, employ at least some of what we consider alternative, like acupuncture. Some even have reiki, sound healing, [inaudible 00:08:21] I’m like, what? Sound healing, that’s crazy.

Jennifer Crisp: I just listened to a radio show this morning, talking about, I think it’s Brown University, is now introducing medical students to how to handle pain for patients in different ways other than giving them opioids. And it all had to do with communication and getting the patients to open up. And I was just like, “It’s about time,” so there is hope for our future doctors.

The reason I wanted you to talk about your mom is because, it did waken something up in you and I have a very similar story because my mother also passed away from pancreatic cancer, October 31st 2010, which in the woo world is the time when the veil is the thinnest between the worlds. And I think you told me your mother passed very close to that time.

Gregory Anne Cox: Just about 3 days before that, different year but same time of year.

Jennifer Crisp: October 28th. It’s really fascinating because we have, in my family, we have some very, almost unbelievable stories. I know a few nights before my mother passed I was there at the house, she had hospice at home, and I was with my niece. My mother at this point was… The cancer had gotten into her brain, so she was just, really, really gone. But, I remember coming downstairs and sitting in her living room, and the front door was right in front of the steps that go upstairs, a very old house, and I’m sitting there, and yeah I was tired, but through the front door came three… I wanna say, forms, three forms, and they just went right up the steps. I thought to myself, “Okay, am I totally losing it? Am I so tired that I don’t know what end is up anymore or did I just see three forms go up the steps?” And I didn’t say anything because I didn’t want to scare my niece because she was younger.

But after my mother passed, all my brothers and sisters were speaking together and somehow I brought this up and my one brother, a couple of nights later, was sitting in her room and he said he was awake, he was awake, he says “I know I was awake, because I wanted to stay awake for her.” And he said, “All of a sudden, I couldn’t move in my chair and I looked up and there were three beings at her bedside.” And he said two of them were at the end of the bed and one was at the top, and the one nearest her was stroking her head and the two at the bottom were dressed in clothing, say from the 30s or 40s. And he says, “I’m watching this entire thing, thinking to myself, am I crazy?” And he says, “I couldn’t move,” and he said that they were talking very gently to her and then they just left.

So this is me talking, who’s a nurse, [crosstalk 00:11:42] medicine… Bridge to Wholeness. Trying to bridge the gap between the alternative and the conventional practitioners. And then we’re talking to you because your podcast has to do with all of this.

Gregory Anne Cox: Yeah the podcast… The idea came to me… And I think you even said it with a Bridge to Wholeness, you had to do something… In this realm. I felt like the name, The Divine Wild Ride, came me to me… I don’t know what the heck I was doing… A number of years ago, and I thought, well that’s nice. Because entrepreneurs have a million ideas a day, right? [crosstalk 00:12:16] that’s nice, I liked that idea, and I put it aside. And then it kept coming back and then I would have a dream about it, and I thought, okay great, well what can I do because this other business is my full time job. Copyrighting and helping people with marketing and launches. So I thought I can start a blog and a podcast. And that’s what I did, but why, what’s the premise of the thing? To me, The Divine Wild Ride is life. Our life is just that, we are all divine.

But what I realized when I did some research out in the market place, I just talked to people, I found that a lot of people like us, who look like the average everyday normal person, are not satisfied with what they grew up with, as a religious belief or a cultural belief. They wanted to explore, and some people like you and I have had experiences in our lives. I’ve seen spirits and had windows broken, all kinds of crazy stuff. And I used to just think, “Wow, that’s so cool,” I didn’t even go further as a message there. But what I found in my research from talking to people is so many people are interested in whether these things are true and possible for them, or just true and possible. What else is there besides the body and the mind, and I know that as we get older, we want to have an answer.

Is there life after death? Can somebody speak to the dead with us, or for us? Are those things true? Lots of people have an interest. So I thought, okay, that’s what I’m going to do, I’m going to start conversations with people who do that kind of thing, maybe they operate in different dimensions on a day to day basis. They’ve had near death experiences. People from religions that may sound like the Kabbalah, sounds like, “Ooh,” it’s not. It’s a rooted religion, a thousands year old religion. Even vedic astrology, yoga, these things are of interest to people who have never had the chance to explore them before so that’s what I’m bringing. Because I think that in order to be a healthy, whole person, we have to give acknowledgement to the fact that we’re more than just the body and mind.

Jennifer Crisp: Yeah, I absolutely agree. We look at instances where… I know you must’ve heard this story rare, in the nursing home, there was a particular cat. The house cat, that just intuitively knew when a patient was ready to pass on. And would go into that room and sit on that bed and the staff knew that within so many hours, that patient would be gone. How do you explain things like that? When you try to tell this to someone, or you bring it up, you have to be careful because you’re not sure how they’re going to react. I’ve never met anybody, ever, yet, that has not had some type of experience in their life. Regardless of really how conventionally religious they are or whatever. Everybody seems to have a story.

At one point or another, it’s whether you want to share it and how comfortable you are in sharing it. But I think the more we share, the more we realize what’s out there.

Gregory Anne Cox: Well, and I think it’s a gift to other people to share what we experience, whether it’s something in the realm of spirituality or physicality or whatever. Not to mention that the original mystics came from religious backgrounds because pretty much religion and philosophy were the two schools. Years ago, right? But if we share our stories about anything, we are giving a bridge to somebody else to meet us halfway, in this world, we need a lot of bridges. And a way for maybe them, to say, oh, if that’s okay, this person’s okay, and they had that experience, maybe I could try that.

Because when I read my bio, one of my phrases is fully expressed…. If there are things we want to do… And I’m not talking about jumping out of a plane, but maybe that’s one of them… To, let’s just say, somebody said “Oh, you know what, I would love to go take yoga in India, but I could never do that because…” Why? “It’s too weird, I don’t know those people,” Right? We have all these limitations. So, again, if we share any of our stories, I think it’s how we connect, and you know connection is what’s going to save people. We age, we know that the more people stay connected to people that love them or feel good about them, not to the people in our family that we don’t like, you can forget about them. Connection is super important to our whole health.

Jennifer Crisp: Well, I think that you really hit on that. And, as much as I love to do all the latest research, and the science behind how the brain works, and the neurology that’s involved with all of this now. I’m finding it really interesting that, all the doctors that are out there, the neurologists are the ones that are beginning to make these connections in ways that we haven’t really thought about before. So, they’re coming up with so many different things and it’s going to be interesting to see in another two to five years, what they discover. But they know there is a true connection between us passing on into whatever and is there really consciousness? Yes. Does consciousness exist outside of the body once we’ve left the body?

They are really beginning to research this now on a scientific level, which I think is really fascinating because we know that they’re going to come up with the information. When they do, then it just gives more credence to what The Divine Wild Ride is about because we then say, “Oh, well, we’ve already known this. You’re just now bringing it forward so that the average person can understand this in a different way.” I really, really like that. I think that we’re going to see so much more in the future about all of this and The Divine Wild Ride’s just going to get more wild.

Gregory Anne Cox: It can’t get much more wild. Somebody said, and I love this quote, I think you’ll appreciate it, that quantum physics and the study within neurology or parapsychology, any of these new… I’m not going to call them new sciences but they’re getting more attention, more people are going into these fields. Somebody said that the more they study quantum physics, they will realize that metaphysics has had it right all along.

Jennifer Crisp: Absolutely, and I think that’s what we’re really starting to see. I think this is where too, where when we’re talking about anything that’s conventional versus anything that’s complementary, or alternative, or maybe multi-conventional, or quantum physics, is how people can just stay open. They don’t even need to accept.

But what is that saying? A mind once opened to something, can never go back to the way it was. Because once you’re opened to something, it’s there regardless of whether you decide to pay attention to it or not. And I always think that if it’s open, you’re going to end up paying attention to it, sometimes in a way that maybe you don’t realize.

I have a good friend of mine, she calls herself an intuitive, and it’s really fascinating. Suzanne Brinks, who I hope to have on the podcast one day. She says that when spirit wants to get our attention, that they will give us a little ping, that little idea that pops into our head and then we ignore it. And then we say, “Oh, I’m not going to pay attention to that.” She says, but if spirit really wants you to pay attention, and you just keep ignoring it… Maybe it’s your health, maybe you’re not paying attention to your health, or maybe you are thinking about changing careers, and you’re just stuck in an old way… She will say, eventually spirit will get your attention, and they’ll just knock you flat. That could be, maybe you trip and fall, maybe you have a little car accident, maybe you get ill, you have to have surgery. Whatever it is. Or maybe you open the door one day, and it’s a new experience or something.

But once she taught me that, now when I get those little pings, I really try not to ignore them. Because if I ignore them enough, usually I end up flat on my butt. That’s usually what happens with me. Oh, there I am, I’m down again. That seems to be the thing for me, but I don’t know about other people. What do you do? Because you said this, you ignored this calling for years, you just had the idea, but you just kept putting it aside.

Gregory Anne Cox: Yeah, and here’s what’s even… I’m not gonna use the word worse but that’s the word that came to mind. When I started it, I got all excited and I had a picture in my head of what I wanted the representation to look like and I knew it had to have the ocean and I have all these pictures of the beach. So I found a designer who would use a picture of a horse and a woman and a beach that I created, everything was just flowing and people were signing up to be on the podcast that I had asked. I wrote a couple of blog posts, and I have a big thing about story, not just blogging, not just telling somebody something but engaging them in a story. Blogs are hard, for me to write, because I want them to be so engaging.

But I loved doing it and all of a sudden, I saw my open rates on my emails. I was sending in emails seven days a week. You guys, I don’t do that anymore, it was crazy town, I went down to five, then I went to one a week, or two. But I saw the open rates decline and I thought, “Oh my gosh, nobody cares about this, nobody wants The Divine Wild Ride,” so I stopped, I just stopped inviting people.

And I have a coach, it’s actually somebody that I write for but she’s a vedic astrologer and she’s awesome, she was a guest [inaudible 00:23:04]. I said I fell off the ride, she said, “No, this is the ride, this is all part of the ride.” I was like, “Oh, you’re right,” and so, to your point about, I felt like I had to do it, I did, but at any moment, we get the ping, we listen, we take action and things don’t look the way we think they should look, then it’s easy to get discouraged or it’s easy to go back. I know with alternative medicine, it doesn’t always work as fast. Healing practice is a practice for a reason, it’s almost never an immediate thing and we get discouraged so we’re like, “Forget it, just give me the Advil.” Or worse.

But when she said that, I realized I have to capture this too, this too is real for other people, this falling off, trying something new. It doesn’t go as well. As an entrepreneur you know this. For people that are not entrepreneurs, because I don’t just speak to entrepreneurs, I have people listening that are at a new stage of their life, a lot of women in transition, interestingly. Couple of women said, I now have time for myself, I want to explore some of these things. And what I used to get really great feedback from, my newsletter, when I was in the wellness industry, was I always talked a little bit about myself or somebody else and an experience they were having, good, bad, or different. If I had a bad week, I would say… The hot flashes were ridiculous… But whatever. And I realized I was trying to be something without me in it. I was trying to be The Divine Wild Ride, whatever that means.

So now I feel engaged with my own divine being and I want to bring that back, but I also had to go back to my practices of writing every day and meditating every day because my writing coach, her name is Rachel Reznick, and she said, “If you can’t move yourself, you can’t move anyone and you have to get in touch with your emotions before you tell the story.” And I realized, I was flat lined on my emotions. I had to do these things to get myself back.

Jennifer Crisp: That is really interesting because we do often, like you said, the emails dropped off, you were thinking “Oh my gosh, nobody wants to do this.” Then I think it really is really interesting that she said that this is part of the ride. These are not failures, they’re just part of the ride and it’s what we do.

Gregory Anne Cox: And it’s all divine, this is the thing that I forgot. I’m not only divine when I’m good, and on it, and writing all the time and getting new business or clients and doing readings for people. I’m just divine because I am, we are divine because I am, is all there is necessary to say.

Jennifer Crisp: It is. That is all that is necessary to say. I love the fact that a lot of women, who are at that place in their life where the kids are out, and the husband is still working, and maybe they’re working, but they don’t have the responsibilities. They’re not a sandwich generation anymore, where they get to start doing this exploration, and I find it’s really interesting that a lot of my friends are at that point now and we’re all just exploring things. And you know what? I’m really stubborn now. I just don’t want somebody telling me what to do anymore. I want to just go out there and just float with everything and wherever I end up, is where I end up and if somebody comes back in and says, “Well, you need to do this, this, this, this,” it’s like, no I don’t.

Gregory Anne Cox: This has been my whole life. [crosstalk 00:27:01] Just flow with it Greg.

Jennifer Crisp: But it is challenging, especially in our culture where time is so linear and we’re so stuck on tasks and getting things done. It’s a big shift to move into a place that’s more esoteric and more meditative and more in flow. What does that really mean, to be in flow? And you say, “Well I meditate” and some people look at me and say, “You sit there and you meditate? How can you do that? I can’t get my mind to slow down…” And I’m like, meditation doesn’t have to be sitting cross legged on the floor. What are the different kinds of meditation people can dO?

Gregory Anne Cox: Sunday, I did an hour in a float spa. If you don’t know about a float spa, it is basically a small room that has two thousand or something pounds of salt dissolved in water, that is your body temperature. So you get in, you lay down, there’s a little thing that holds your head up. The room gets dark, you can leave a light on if you want but mostly I like it dark. And there’s no sound, except your breathing, and you are completely suspended a hundred percent. I lose the edges of my body, I have no idea where my body ends and the water begins. That to me, is meditation too. Now my mind is still going, I have to work at… Changes to my breathing just like everybody does, if you’re sitting cross legged on the floor. But to your point, there are other ways to get quiet and go inside and just be. That’s it, just be.

Jennifer Crisp: I sometimes will tell people, for some people, movement in meditation. They absolutely have to move, they can’t sit still because they have more energy, they just need to move in order to think more clearly. Sometimes, maybe you move and sometimes, maybe you don’t, sometimes you float.

And there isn’t a right or a wrong way for people, it’s just whatever works for you at the time. So, maybe one day, you’re in the float pool. But maybe one day, you’re in the garden.

Gregory Anne Cox: Yeah, and I do spend, as you know, a lot of time in the garden.

Jennifer Crisp: Yes, you do. You spend a lot of time. I know, my own husband comes home from work and the first thing he does is go out to the garden. That’s his thing. Although, one day, I have to say, he did bring a fig tree into the house because something had eaten it from the roots up. It was probably six months old, it was probably about eight feet long. He brings this poor tree into my house and he walks out and he says, “Here is my fig tree, Sophie ate it again!” This is like the second one he planted. I just looked at him and I said, “Could you please, maybe take the fig tree back outside?” Roots hanging off it, with dirt clubs…. If we didn’t have the gardens, I don’t think he could function. But he has to move, he has to constantly move and be in the dirt, and play in it, and dig, and get really dirty, and sit all night [inaudible 00:30:27] getting all the soil.

Gregory Anne Cox: You don’t have plastic covers, do you Jennifer?

Jennifer Crisp: No I don’t. I’ve just been trying to tell him, please brush yourself off. No I had three boys so honestly, no.

Gregory Anne Cox: Oh gosh, dirt doesn’t bother you.

Jennifer Crisp: No, no, no. You just have to get used to it. But one thing I want to do before we leave too, is… You say in here that there’s a lot of reasons why alternative practitioners and healers aren’t successful and you believe there’s one thing that everything else affects, and that’s knowing what alternative practitioners do for their clients and being clear on how to say it.

And knowing how they’re different, so if there’s fifty massage therapists in the area, what makes you stand out from the rest. Talk about that a little bit, before we get to… I know that this is really important. I think if you’re in the alternative or complementary world of health and wellness, I know, myself, that I find a lot of these really good health and wellness experts hiding in little pockets. And they’re afraid or timid about coming forward with what they do to help people and yet their work is extraordinary. Believe it or not, a lot of them have a conventional medicine background.

And they’re now moving over, they’ve crossed that bridge and they still utilize… What can you tell them about coming out and… You’re a perfect example of this. You’ve got this podcast that deals with all of these quantum physics, and metaphysics, and magic, and all this stuff. What do you tell them?

Gregory Anne Cox: Well, let me talk about your people. Because I don’t know how I’d actually speak about what The Divine Wild Ride is. It’s an inspired thing in the moment… Okay, so, anybody who’s a practitioner and… If you have a medical background, and you’re using alternative methods to heal your people, that alone is a piece of difference, to set you apart from other people.

Jennifer Crisp: Oh, it is.

Gregory Anne Cox: So, my first experience with a licensed acupuncturist was in California, and she had been an emergency medevac nurse for years and she then became an emergency organ transplant nurse, helicopter nurse. She was screaming in the craziness of life and death and she crossed over. Because I wanted somebody who had this training in Western medicine, I was afraid to just go down this path, but because she had that, I trusted her and I just didn’t see anybody else for probably four years, I don’t think. So that’s a point of difference.

But the thing that I referenced and I wrote to you was, most people don’t know how to set themselves apart because they don’t know what they really do for people, they say “I am a…” I’m a massage therapist, I’m an acupuncturist, and the grain is now saying, “So what?” So is my cousin, so is Dianne down the road. What you really do for your people is not the how you do it, the modality is not who you are, and what makes you different, your customers will tell you what makes you different. Customer research is one of the least… I mean the most overlooked pieces of marketing data you can use because if a person who uses our services says something to us, you can pretty much guarantee, if that’s your ideal client, that other people want to hear those words, because they’re using them.

So when I wrote for you, I did research on what I called your competition, you didn’t really have any, because you’re is pretty unique. But I’ve had to find out what other people were saying and then throw that away, but they led me to the people that said things about them, and I knew people that had worked with you. I took some of that data and I took what you said and I combined it for what I think is a pretty unique message that we came up with. Part of it was what people have said about you, though.

So peeps who are listening, don’t get frustrated trying to write some fancy message and single out your self, because while I used to be a Girl Scout I sold the most Girl Scout cookies and then I went to massage therapist when I was twenty and now I’m… Okay who cares? And let’s just say I was a massage therapist, I might say, when I work on people, and I wouldn’t say people because that’s not a niche. When I work on fifty something women in the Sea Suite, who work ten or eleven hours a day, their body melts into the table and when they get up, they no longer have back pain. That’s a very specific thing you do, you relieve back pain, you help them melt into the table, that means they’re relaxed. But to just say, I massage midlife women who are stressed, so do a bunch of other people. Get into what it is that people get from working with you, and use that in your pitch.

Jennifer Crisp: I really think that’s so important because if you go to a regular doctor, they really don’t have to market. If you think about it. They don’t really market. You have your primary care physician right down the road, you have a OBGYNs, you have this, they’re all over the place… Basically your insurance [crosstalk 00:36:12] They don’t really have that need, like the alternative therapists do… Actually I interviewed Linda Penkala, who is a massage therapist, really interesting though, her clientele is women and her niche is women who have heart disease. She’s a massage therapist, her whole thing is about pausing to really tune in and listen to your body and be aware of your heart. And not just the physical heart but obviously the emotional heart as well, and I interviewed her because of that, because I didn’t know any other massage therapist who actually does heart health classes for women.

It’s just a really interesting take on it, and the reason she did it is because she ended up with atrial fibrillation when she was about fifty. And she’s like, “Huh, this happened to me. I want women to be aware of this but the heart disease in women is really the number one killer, above and beyond anything else.” So I get what you’re saying and I agree with that and I’m really hoping that the alternative therapists can start to come forward, with that, because they do such amazing things, and they really, really help people.

Gregory Anne Cox: Yeah, and here’s the thing… The reason I said that the message and what what you really do affects everything else, is that peace of hiding in the shadows is partly because people don’t feel comfortable saying what they do, because they don’t think it means anything when they say, and chances are, it doesn’t. If we’re not in love with what we’re doing, and most people who are alternatives, even Western medicine, they love what they’re doing, they wanna help people. But if you’re not confident in what you’re putting out there, because you’re listening to all the voices of normal society saying, “That’s ridiculous, acupuncture never cured anybody, you can’t heal with oils.” If that’s playing louder than your confidence in your own message and what you do, it’s going to be really hard for you to sell your services confidently.

So it’s partially getting clear and believing in what you do, because you’ve heard enough of the people saying this was amazing, because, that will help a lot of people more boldly say at the front of their networking meeting, “This is what I do for people, this is the difference I make. Come and find at the back of the room, here’s my card, if that’s you.”

Jennifer Crisp: Absolutely. We can talk forever but I do want people to know how they can get in touch with you, either for your Divine Wild Ride or for your marketing and messaging. I’m just going to say again, go to my website, A-Bridge-to-Wholeness.com. It’s right there.

Gregory Anne Cox: And one thing, the reason it’s so good is, it really was a collaboration. You had your ideas, and like you said, you had some clinical writing that you were able to send to me but I kept asking, do you remember me saying, “Tell me about the red velvet dress, tell me about the…” And you were like, why does she…

Jennifer Crisp: Why does she want to know about my childhood? Why does she want to know?

Gregory Anne Cox: But because it says a lot about… So here’s the way it works. It’s magic. When people are asked a question that they know is going to… It’s on the line now, I have a copy righter and I’m paying them and they want answers. I’m going to give them answers. If I keep asking the questions that will lead to the kinds of answers I want only, I won’t get them because the person’s all uptight and doesn’t know how to speak about themselves. But when I get them talking about who they are, what they love, their passions… You like to sew, you had this red dress when you’re… Then the person relaxes and new ideas come up. Then you can have fun.

Jennifer Crisp: Yes, it is. It’s actually really cool because you actually get to talk about yourself and not feel guilty about it.

Gregory Anne Cox: Speaking of messages and pitches, I have a freebie that is no longer available, except for your people and one other person who asked recently and it’s all about how to craft a message that, in different situations, for different people… It’s including photographers, so it’s not just practitioners… All the information in there will help people revamp what they’re saying, maybe get a little bit more confident, find a few different ways to say it. It’s a five day email program with an audio, so I walk you through the exercises and the templates. And you can find it at SayitMorePowerfully.com, and I’ll send that to you, you can put it in the show notes. And my main website is BeMoreMarketable.com and you can read about what I do and who I am and my About page has some of those zig zags that are fun stories about how I ended up here.

Jennifer Crisp: And whenever you receive an email from Greg, you can’t help but open it.

Gregory Anne Cox: Oh, thank you.

Jennifer Crisp: Because the introduction… It’s just not the normal email you get. It isn’t and that’s what makes what you do so amazing because that messaging is really, really important to get people’s attention. And to give them the information that they really are looking for. So I wanna thank you so much for your time today, and this is going to be a really good episode. I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be tuning in. So for those of you who are listening today, thank you so much for tuning in and you can find us on iTunes and Stitcher and please, please, just go there and rate us, that helps us a lot. And, we will see you next time on another episode of A Bridge to Wholeness, and thank you Gregory Anne.

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